00:02:31 Pat: Copy you Stuart 00:02:35 Mike: Kia Ora Stuart 00:03:42 Mike: Please remember everyone Questions to All Panelists and Attendees, this way everyone can see the question, as well as the answer 00:05:22 Stuart Nicholson: great pictures :-) 00:06:11 Pat: House Sparrow 00:06:16 Stuart Nicholson: The main thing to have at a bird talk is photos - no photos and audience falls asleep :-( 00:06:51 Abi Quinnell: Had a really good look at some green finches in the park around the corner here in Palmy 00:08:43 Cheri Crosby: I am not seeing the photos now..are they still showing? 00:09:11 Christopher Leonard: Caspian Tern 00:09:23 Cheri Crosby: good now 00:09:23 Nicole Swain: Kakariki in the hills above the Hutt valley 00:09:29 Sue Courtney: My best bird is a 27-year-old oyster catcher, bands identified by John Dowding. 00:09:45 Jim Knight: Cirl Bunting bathing in the pond outside the kitchen window. 00:10:09 Christopher Leonard: See the Caspian Tern feeding over the lagoon most mornings 00:10:34 Peggy Burbank: Had a visit by a miromiro this morning. 00:10:44 Sue Courtney: also saw a tagged b-t godwit, but too far away to read the numbers. 00:10:53 Paula Roberts: Silvereye eating the remainder of our figs 00:11:40 Janet Burton: ok, I saw a kereru & kingfisher today. live in a pretty empty of birds area 00:11:45 Paul Cuming: And when is a grey duck a grey duck these days? 00:11:49 Sue Frostick: I've had silvereyes eating olives here the last couple of weeks. 00:12:00 Nicole Swain: also just got told some local predator trappers are feeding their mice to a couple of local Karearea. Appaerently they are all friends now : ) 00:12:33 Sue Courtney: Anyone on Windows 10 know how I can move the chat window to the side? It's smack in themiddle of the screen at the mo. 00:12:46 Kathryn Richards: no extra cool birds but caught 20 mice in last 4 weks 00:12:57 Nicole Swain: nice wor 00:12:58 Stuart Nicholson: Paul: I say "Type 1-3 wing (98% likely to be grey-like or grey ducks, per Table 5 & 6 Williams Notornis 66(2) 45-63)." 00:12:58 Nicole Swain: k 00:15:03 Stefan Marks: nope. susan's muted 00:15:06 Stefan Marks: better 00:16:29 Paul Cuming: thank you Stuart re: grey duck 00:17:33 Stuart Nicholson: Paul: Swimming or on land: Head markings per Type 2-3 face plus bill type 1-3 (94-95% likely to be grey-like or grey ducks, per Tables 2 & 11 Williams Notornis 66(2) 45-63). Remote location. Wary. Not associating with mallards or grallards. No mallards or grallards present. 00:18:04 Paul Cuming: thanks Stuart! 00:23:58 Marie-Louise Ward: Do you have these occupancy data for all the species in NZ? 00:25:04 Sam: Yes, the occupancy data is for all the New Zealand species. 00:25:16 Marie-Louise Ward: Great! 00:27:18 Marie-Louise Ward: Sorry but I did not hear why some data was disallowed. Can you clarify that again please? 00:27:37 Sam: For large numbers of species you can do an estimated count. It doesn't have to be the exact number, so long as it isn't a way over or underestimate. 00:28:19 Sam: The ocuupancy maps are in the previous Atlas, hardcopy book 00:29:30 Sam: Yes there is definitely value in doing checklists in the same place over and over. This takes into account seasonality and different times of day. 00:29:32 Marie-Louise Ward: So did the estimates that were not within the expected numbers get thrown out? 00:30:08 Richard Hurt: How important are the abundance data in a checklist? I can understand that they are useful for rare/threatened spp. but what about spp. like sparrows and finches? 00:30:37 Mike: Fire any questions for Susan please 00:30:54 Pat: https://www.pce.parliament.nz/media/1709/lc2786_walkeretal_forestbirds__final_corrected.pdf 00:31:09 Sam: Abundances are really important for all species. 00:32:23 Pat: This is the report to the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment on the Status and change in native forest birds on the NZ mainland 00:33:59 Rhys Burns: How many full lists do you need per 10x 10 km grid square to be useful/meaningful? What about per season? 00:35:00 Marie-Louise Ward: I seem to have missed an explanation of the squares or grids. How do you know where they begin & end? 00:35:31 Mike: Essentially, it is the more the better. Especially from each of the different habitat types. 00:36:35 Mike: The gird square can be seen on the eBird Atlas portal, we will be doing more on this next week, in planning trips 00:37:12 Richard Hurt: The current South African bird atlas project puts lots of emphasis on covering each grid square as comprehensively as possible, i.e. good observational effort should be made to reliably check each habitat type in each square being recorded. Why is the NZ atlas not doing similar? 00:39:10 Mike: Is the same here, you will see when you explore the atlas grid on NZ Ebird Atlas portal, there is a list of completed squares. There are no complete squares yet, as the project will only be complete when all habitat and seasons have been covered in that square. this is assessed by the Atlas team, not automatically by ebird. 00:40:17 Mike: Thanks David! Can't wait till I can get back down there! 00:44:41 Jean Jack: eBird data can be used to support AEE reviews/collation within RMA consent process. Great to see the records growing. 00:45:35 Mike: Yes, the growing dataset in NZ is going to be a very powerful tool to hopefully get better outcomes for birds 00:45:42 Mary Thompson: so eBird can model abundance from our atlas data if we include numbers and effort, which is more than occupancy or are these just fancy occupancy models to get relative abundance 00:46:45 Adrienne Mulqueen: do the eBird checklists that we are doing that go through the NZBird Atlas portal also go to the Cornell general data bank 00:47:21 Mike: 100% Mary, yes you can model abundance from complete checklist with counts, not just presence and absence. Hence why we keep pushing for complete lists with count data. this is the golden standard and most useful data. 00:47:35 Mary Thompson: Yes, adrienne. Its like Russian dolls; atlas is just a small part of the whole 00:47:44 Marie-Louise Ward: What are the units of relative abundance? 00:47:57 Mike: Yes, Pat will explain the different portals in a few minutes 00:48:46 Mike: We hoping to do a test with NZ data after the first year of atlas data...watch this space 00:49:21 Richard Schofield: Can area protocol be used in the Atlas? 00:50:38 Mike: Richard I think it can, I'll double check that and come back to you on. Possibly not on the App though yet. Will raise with Cornell. 00:50:49 Hinrich V: so is 20min checklist useful? do you have min / max range for time and/or distance for valid checklist? 00:51:29 Adrienne Mulqueen: I see the best is to be out for 1 hour......I had been putting in just 1 km long checklists......so is it best to be out for an hour and just keep doing it in 1 km sections? 00:51:40 Mike: Yes 20 minutes is great. We are asking for checklists to be at least 5 minutes, and up to about a hour. 00:52:11 Mike: So no, you don't have to do 1 hour, just that is the maximum. 00:53:08 Richard Hurt: So how useful are full day yard checklists ? 00:53:28 Mike: At list for 5 minutes will see fewer birds than one for 30 minutes, and 30 minutes less than a count for an hour. The modelling can take this into account, hence why the time of the list needs to be recorded. 00:54:55 Mike: Ideally yard checklist each hour would be better. But as the full day yard list has a time period, it is still OK for the modelling. So either is fine. 00:55:23 Janet Burton: is recording the weather at the timeof importance or relevance? 00:55:56 Bruce McKinlay: Is it ok to put minimum count in the comments 00:56:24 Richard Schofield: But presumably more value to do several shorter counts rather than one long one. 00:56:25 Mike: If you think the weather is really influencing your checklist, either positively or negatively, then yes add in the comments. But it is not a requirement of every list. 00:57:22 Robyn McCool: If Russell Cannings is here today, thanks so much for your email providing a correction on my "Pied Shag". I was delighted that my rather grainy photo (teamed with your own knowledge) was sufficient for you to correct this ID. I've just been into my checklist and have corrected that observation to "Little Shag" :) 00:57:24 Mike: Shelley, you can go back to that list, and add the bird, but also add the extra time. This is actually easy to do on the app. Therefore the time period matches your observation period. 00:57:48 Hinrich V: every time I see kaka, tomtits or bellbirds at/near home, app challenges me because unusual/rare at this end of Hunuas; do you need full description/explanation every time? 00:58:18 Mike: Richard, yes for spatial and temporal study multiple shorter lists are best. 00:59:05 Bruce McKinlay: Thanks Sam 00:59:30 Mike: Hinrich, add comments that these counts are normal for this area. Reviewers' will be able to tweak filters over time 00:59:33 Mary Thompson: you forgot to say check Completer\\ 00:59:35 Steve Purdon: There is no option to contact other eBirders. Is this something that has been trialled previously? Any reason why we can't contact each other? 00:59:52 Hinrich V: a challenge with esp static obs for longer period is that it's hard to know if that was the same tuii flying back and forth or different; any suggestions how to decide if record additional bird or not? 01:01:23 Stuart Nicholson: Hinrich: I say in my comments: Unless specifically stated, quantity is maximum number seen/heard at any one time. [this is a valid method] 01:01:54 Hinrich V: perfect thankjs 01:02:10 Mike: Hirich, you need to do your best to decide what numbers you are recording. Yes for a very mobile species this is harder, so use your judgement to decide what is the maximum number of tui you feel you have seen. If you feel it is the same bird, then add just one. If you think that bird left area, and a new one came in, add two. So there is an element of your judgement. 01:03:58 NZ Bird Atlas: Steve - in terms of engaging with other birders this isn’t available on eBird. It is for data depositing and sharing with your birding party, rather than more of a social platform. Facebook groups and birding forums are great ways for people to engage with each in regards to birding 01:04:43 Steve Purdon: I was thinking more about coordinating Atlas efforts with other birders. 01:05:03 NZ Bird Atlas: That will be through those social channels, or your regional reps Steve 01:05:53 Steve Purdon: Fair pont Dan, but not everyone logging Atlas lists are engaged with BirdsNZ! 01:05:59 NZ Bird Atlas: Shelley - it won’t get ‘chucked out’, but by birding for that minimum 5 minutes and putting in everything to make it a complete checklist, it provides more value to the analysis possible 01:06:25 NZ Bird Atlas: Well aware Steve, many of those birding groups are open to all, not just BirdsNZ members 01:07:26 NZ Bird Atlas: New Zealand Bird Atlas 01:07:34 Stuart Nicholson: … and RRs don't mind being contacted by non-Members, esp for Atas work :-) 01:09:13 Sue Courtney: So I’m sitting at Knoll Ridge Cafe on Mt Ruapehu for half an hour, having a coffee and see two pipits, the only birds seen in that half hour. Is this worth entering as a complete check list? 01:09:21 NZ Bird Atlas: Kurien, you are on the Atlas Portal, as you can see in the top left Pat is on the New Zealand portal and so has the ability to look over all the years 01:09:34 Mike: Yes Sue sure is 01:09:51 NZ Bird Atlas: Yes Sue, if those were the only species present (seen/heard) then that is a complete checklist 01:10:00 Sue Courtney: Great! 01:10:40 Mike: Remember that negative data is equally important - a complete checklist means you also recorded what you didn't see. 01:12:56 NZ Bird Atlas: Pat used QGIS Kirsten 01:13:00 Steve Purdon: Pat, any way you could share the template for providing that overaly to import the spreadsheet data? 01:13:28 NZ Bird Atlas: The download link for your own data is https://ebird.org/ebird/downloadMyData 01:14:05 NZ Bird Atlas: We can certainly look at sharing the mapping resources Steve! 01:14:17 Steve Purdon: Thanks Dan 01:15:08 NZ Bird Atlas: Hi Paul, that is something that will be assess ed by us as we move into future years of the Atlas. For now we are encouraging people to get as much data into squares over the seasons and years as possible 01:16:05 Mike: It will mostly be related to making sure each habitat is surveyed in each square, in each season, and at night. 01:17:36 Bruce McKinlay: Why did tui decrease in 2014? 01:18:18 Mike: Anyone in Wellington have any ideas? 01:19:53 Stuart Nicholson: re tui dip, I was overseas 2010 to 2016 so no idea :-( 01:20:00 Janet Burton: the kaka increasing in 4-5 yrs does that indicate increase in species &/ or increase in recordings a more people use ebird 01:20:05 Bruce McKinlay: Thanks guys. Next week sounds good. 01:21:15 Bruce McKinlay: Thanks Dan good point 01:21:25 Mike: Awesome Karin - just email us if you have any more questions 01:21:42 Robyn McCool: Thanks team, very useful. See you next Friday! :) 01:21:42 Sue Courtney: Webinars are great. 01:21:44 Bruce McKinlay: Pat can you shar ethe steps of downloading data to the map? 01:21:44 Kathryn Richards: great at least you guys know how to do a webinar 01:22:02 Abi Quinnell: Thanks so much, very interesting, lookin forward to next week 01:22:15 Grant Crawford: Yesterday I had a bunch of ducks fly over me, not knowing what they were I thought I'd use the trick you showed previously and use duck sp, but that wasn't available when I searched for it on full tax???? 01:22:19 Janet Burton: im new to this got a bit lost at times however, I will look at the previuos webinars and replay this one, thnx 01:22:22 wendy hare: Cheers Team 01:22:24 Stefan Marks: Thanks guys. Love the examples of how the data is used. 01:22:26 Adrienne Mulqueen: thanks for today. it is very exciting to understand more and more. really appreciate it all. 01:23:29 Jean Jack: So you can see the distribution of one species observation on the 'Explore' map. But can you see more than one species at a time? i.e. If you were interested in a specific area, what is the best way to get a species list from the checklist observations? I find you have to get into every checklist to see the species... 01:23:38 Pete McClelland: You may be planning to cover it next week, and if not can you please ? Is there anyway to physically print off a block of squares and have a hard copy to identify the boundaries when travelling through an area? 01:23:48 Bruce McKinlay: Not now but one day 01:23:58 Bruce McKinlay: yes 01:24:13 Bruce McKinlay: Thanks 01:24:13 Cheri Crosby: I am on 40 acres and have 3 different habitats...each habitat should be monitored how often? 01:25:19 Grant Crawford: Thanks, I'm nodding, but then realise you can't see me :-) 01:25:32 Cheri Crosby: and I should be in the same spot each time correct? 01:26:27 Steve Purdon: Really good webinar today. Love to see and hear how the data we are logging is being used. Thank you. 01:26:32 Nicole Swain: hey just had to pop out for the last 20min. what is the link to see this again : ) 01:26:38 Sue Courtney: I need some help with identifying birds by call. Not the usual birdsong you find on birds online, or on my CD. I’ve made some (faint) recordings on my phone. Can anyone help me with these. 01:26:57 Bruce McKinlay: Where are you based Sue? 01:27:00 Grant Crawford: Who are BIrdsNZ I saw mentioned above, I'd be keen to learn more and if there is local support I'd love to take it up. 01:27:04 Sue Courtney: Orewa 01:27:08 Steve Purdon: Guru maps is great! 01:27:25 Bruce McKinlay: Contact Ian Maclean BirdsNZ Auckland rep 01:27:42 Pete McClelland: thanks - will email 01:29:34 Cheri Crosby: Thank you it’s been a great Webinar and so helpful! see you next week 01:30:10 Nicole Swain: Thank you 01:30:46 Sue Courtney: Thanks Dan. What is your email address? 01:31:10 Kathryn Richards: can u show again where you go to see what grids you have e birdied in 01:32:54 Pat: nzbirdatlas@wmil.co.nz 01:33:27 Sue Courtney: Thanks guys, see you next week. 01:34:48 Kathryn Richards: great thank you 01:36:39 Janet Burton: HOw important or necessary is it to enter the highest possible code in or can the details cover the same info 01:36:39 heather rogers: Thanks, see you next week 01:36:40 Nicole Swain: Have a great weekend : ) 01:37:26 Janet Burton: code as on reprt for breeding: 01:37:49 Janet Burton: that explains it 01:38:10 Janet Burton: so we dnt need to enter this at all 01:39:05 Janet Burton: ok so I fill in details only 01:39:30 Janet Burton: thnx all 01:39:45 Richard Hurt: Many thanks folks, see you next week! 01:39:47 Grant Crawford: thsansks